#238 - THE WEALTH MONEY CAN'T BUY, with Robin Sharma


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This is a remarkable episode - and I urge you to listen to it at least a few times, and share it with anyone you know who has a growth mindset.

Robin Sharma is a globally renowned author, leadership expert, and speaker whose work has transformed the lives of millions. And I am fortunate to consider him a friend.

Initially famous for his international bestseller "The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari," Robin has written many books since - and his teachings inspire individuals to lead without a title, embrace personal mastery, and craft a life that transcends the ordinary.

His engaging storytelling and unique philosophy combine ancient wisdom with modern strategies for high performance, making him a sought-after expert in the realms of personal and professional growth.

In this episode, we dive deep into conversation, exploring profound types of true wealth beyond financial success - which are the subject of his brilliant new book, The Wealth Money Can't Buy

Listen in and you'll find comfort in his refreshing wisdom and learn how to enrich your life in ways money can't measure.

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Well, a very warm welcome, Robin. I am so thrilled and excited to have you here. 

Kristina, it's always a pleasure and it's great to see you virtually and congratulations on all the amazing things that you're doing. Oh, thank you so much. And congratulations on your new book that we're going to talk about that.

But before we do,  is there one dream that you are currently working on?


Right now I just want to, it's really important to me to always keep the boots on the ground.  So there's, there's a lot going on with the release of the Wealth Money Can't Buy and podcasts and lots of travel, et cetera. And so  a dream is to just also do it with a lot of grounding and soul and make sure I put my readers first and make sure I take time for myself, maybe to go to art galleries on the book tour.

So that would be. That would be one of the focal points. Yeah. Amazing. And I think you do that so well. We'll get to that. But, um, I want to first say congratulations. I don't know how many books you've written now, but I love them all. And I, uh, I love your new book, The Wealth Money Can't Buy. So I'm curious to start off with why did you write this book? 

Well,  I really believe that our culture has sold us this idea about what  is, and in many ways it's all about a big portfolio cash in the bank, et cetera, et cetera. And we put on pedestals, these people who are financially wealthy, yet, I believe as I talked about in the book that there are actually eight forms of wealth and money money is only one of those forms of wealth.

There's actually,  Many people with a lot of money who are very poor  don't have rich family lives. They might not have strong health lives. They might be all alone in their mansion. So I wanted to write this book to share the eight forms of wealth model and to offer people this insight. Which is rich comes in many forms.

Yeah. Absolutely. And I think you, you live that so well. Um, so let's, can we just, for our listeners, could you just, um, tell us all the eight wealth, uh, or eight forms of wealth?  Sure. So the first form of wealth is growth. There's that framework, which you know so well is, is the centerpiece of the book. And why is growth a form of wealth?

Well, if you are in the process of materializing your gifts and talents, getting to know who you truly are, becoming braver a little bit every day, becoming more creative and kinder every day,  you've got a richness. Second form of wealth is wellness. So someone once taught me, health is the crown on the well person's head that only the ill person can see.

Yeah. And, and then there's another wisdom tradition that says when we are young, we would sacrifice all of our health for wealth. When we get old and discover what life is all about, we'd be willing to sacrifice all of our wealth for one day of health. So wellness is the second, third is family. You can have all the money in the world if you don't have love connections, human connections with your family. 

What's the point of the exercise? Fourth is craft. You know how much I believe in craft. So a job is only a job if you see it as a job. But if you reframe it, no matter what you do, coder, pizza. Maker, yoga teacher, tech entrepreneur. If you see it as a craft and every day you pursue your craft towards mastery, that's a form of wealth.

The fifth form of wealth is money. And I want to really highlight this, which is money is absolutely, and of course, a form of wealth because it gives you freedom. You don't get backed into the corner to make choices you don't like. So fifth is money. Sixth is community. Your associations, we can talk about that, your friendship circle, your peer network.

Seventh is adventure.  You are  having a little adventure every day, you're, you've got a richness. And then the eighth is service, which is finding some cause that's larger than yourself so you're helpful every day and making the world a little bit of a better place.  I love, I love them all. And when, when I did coaching with you, we, we covered all that.

And, uh, and as I was thinking, um,  what really influenced me in the beginning, and it was the way that you, you actually lived all those, and, and I feel like you, you've, You are just a little bit ahead of me with all the things that you are doing. And, uh, I absolutely love the way you live your life in, in, in every aspect.

Thank you.

We have this illusion, and you say this in the book, that one day we will have everything sorted and we know that that's, that day will probably never come because there's always something else to improve in. What is the solution to that, do you think?  Well, not postpone. Yeah,  I mean, we're as human beings who are great postponers and there's a psychological term called temporal discounting where we  discount the value of the future and we just don't think it's important.

So what we do is we live in the present moment and of course living in the present moment is very important.  But  our days are our life in miniature. It's the things that we're doing each day that are predicting our future. And I want to emphasize that it's those little habits, those little ways of thinking, it's those little practices that we do every day that is creating our tomorrows and our quarters and our next years.

And so I would just say. As simple as it sounds, do not be a great postponer. No one knows what tomorrow brings. Build intimacy with your mortality.  I'll say that again. Build intimacy with your mortality. You can, as part of your meditation practice or journaling practice, remind yourself on the shortness of life.

Then you stop worrying about rejection. You stop putting off what I call your Project X, that project that will change the world, your Taj Mahal. You give the love you want to give to people. You live your life fully and as you do that every day, your, your days become your future. Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree, um, agree more.

So the first wealth is growth and you say in the book to grow into. All you can possibly be is a price far more precious than any money could ever buy. Personally, mastery is a currency that will make you authentically wealthy,  or will make you authentically wealthy, I think. And your wisest investment Is making yourself, uh,  into all you can be.

And I couldn't agree more with this. Can you tell us a little bit about how we do that? Because I think personal growth and personal development, a lot of people see that as a bit of an extra, but I feel like you incorporate that daily into your life.  Personal development and let's call it self  materialization  is job number one  and you're absolutely right, Christina.

People say, well, when I have more time, I'll join the 5am club. Yeah. When I have more time, I'll learn to meditate. When I have more time, I'll go for long walks in the wood and ponder my philosophical values. When I have more time, I will do mantras,  et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.  But wherever you go, there you are, you know, zen proverb.

You're a, you're a world class entrepreneur. Your income reflects your self identity.  You're not going to ask for the big deal. You're not going to take action on that amazing project. You're not going to build the app.  You're not going to start the new business if you haven't done the inner work to give you confidence, the faith, the clarity, you turn down the noise.

Our relationships even, they're a reflection of our personal growth. If we're full of trauma, then we're going to bring the trauma  to the relationships. It's that, it's that idea, which is heal the pain  that hurts you so you don't bleed on people who didn't cut you. Yeah. So everything, our relationships, our health, our income, our impact, if we're full of fear, we're not going to go out in the world.

And do something that will cause this beautiful impact because we're full of fear. So  the first form of wealth and the wealth money can't buy is growth. And you know, I, I have one, one on one mentoring client,  multi billionaires, you know, I've mentored billionaire sports stars, movement makers for, for decades.

And one of them told me something I've never forgotten. He said, when I was doing a four hour.  Morning routine, every day, he goes, that's when I made the most money. Four hours. It's so counterintuitive. We'd say, four hours, I've got to take care of the kids and I've got to do this and then I've got to start work.

Work on yourself because the world reflects who you are. Yeah.  Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I actually think that we actually don't dream big enough if you don't actually work on yourself. And a lot of people often when they don't want to spend money on themselves, and I always think that that's the first thing you should do, because then you will be making more money.

I'm just looking at, so the way the book is set up is for each form of wealth, there's about 20 chapters. And on this first form of, well, here's some of the chapter names. Don't be a resentment collector.  The best way to start is to start  fears are ghost stories  and worship your wounds. So this is all, you know, fears are ghost stories.

I mean, we are taught to fear. We often pick up the programming of our parents around fear, often around money. Yeah. Money doesn't grow on trees. Don't play too big. You'll get hurt. Our parents loved us, or hopefully still do if you have your parents with you. And so we pick up all of these innocuous, invisible programs.

They're subconscious. We go out in the world. We see the world not as it is. We see the world as we are. When we clean up our inner world through all the tools and tactics I read about in the book, our outer world changes. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Let's talk a little bit, you mentioned it already, but let's talk about the best way to start is to start, and I love there's a Zig Ziglar quote, which I know you know, the, um, you don't have to be great to start, but you have to start to be great. And  why do you think it's so hard for people to start and why is, is it so important to start?

By the way, I don't think I, I don't think I've heard that Zig Ziglar quote. It's really, it's really, it's really great. Yeah, I call this the power of the start.  There's this great Pathanjali quote. I just happen to have it here with me.  I just, this, this is, this is a quote that has helped me so much. And it's a little long, so please forgive me. 

But I think your many readers and, and, and viewers. And listeners will appreciate it. So this is Patanjali, the, the, uh, one of the great philosophers. He  said, when you are inspired by some great purpose, some extraordinary project, all your thoughts break their bonds. Your mind transcends limitations. Your consciousness expands in every direction and you find yourself in a new, great and wonderful world. 

Dormant forces, faculties and talents become alive and you discover yourself to be a greater person by far than you ever dreamed yourself to be. And that's why I, I say in the book, you know, it's, it's the project that you are most resisting is the one that you need to start doing. Yeah. And,  and, and I was, I was having a, uh, an interview in Dubai with this wonderful broadcaster and she said, Robin, you know, like, so how do we start?

And the very question  is almost a subconscious  resistance. I mean, how do you, how do you start preparing for a marathon if you're a couch potato? Well, you get off the couch and you take the first step. You want to be an author. How do you start? How do you start?  You pull out your phone  and you write the first word.

Yeah. How, how do you, you know, how do you start to find that great relationship of love?  You walk up to the person in the grocery store and you say, My, don't the bananas look good?  How, how do you, how do you start the spiritual project that will fill you with inner peace in this world of poly crisis?  You download the first app and you take your first meditation.

It's not that complicated. Lao Tzu said it well, the thousand mile journey begins with the single step.  And then why don't we start  fear of success, fear of failure, fear of ridicule, fear of complexity, fear of change, fear of the unknown. We're full of fear. That's why MVP one of the tools I talk about in the wealth, money can't buy.

Meditation, visualization, and prayer. MVP, you'll become the most valuable player. Meditate, visualize and pray. When do you do it? 5:00 AM to 6:00 AM Yeah, is the complete game changer. Imagine.  Four times a week, even half an hour on MVP over a few months. Of course, that's going to rewire your  neurology, your programming, your emotional architecture, your spirituality.

Yeah, absolutely. And I have a lot of people in my coaching program, um, that often don't.  Believe that they can do it. And then I, I always say just start, because if you start and you take an action every single day, there's no doubt that you will eventually get there. It might not be smooth because often we see the plans, you know, we want them to go up like this, but they're often a little bit ups and downs and that's just part of life and, um, but if you take action and.

Um, a little bit of a starting every single day, there's just no doubt that you'll get there.  No question. You know, one of my brain tattoos,  teaching it for 20 years, small daily, seemingly insignificant improvements when done consistently over time lead to stunning results. You build a great life, not by revolution, but by steady, silent, quiet evolution each and every day.

Yeah, absolutely. So what do you suggest for those people who say, I will try, because I saw that in your book.  I think, I think those are three of the,  the, the worst swear words in the human language. You know, I, I will try, if I recommend to someone, you know, read whatever the.

This book or that book or do or try this or here's a supplement. That's really great for cognition. Oh, okay Uh, you know, I'll try  it basically means I'm not interested. I'm not Invested and maybe I'm a little scared and yeah, of course There's no judgment there. We all have fear. But when we say to ourselves, I'll give it it.

I'll give it a try  the people who get Amazing things done in the world, they, they go all in. Yeah. And they understand that the, the only failure is the failure to try. And to quote Yoda, there is do or tru there is only do or not to do. I'm not a Star Wars fan, but I think that's what he said. There is only do  and not do.


And try is just, I mean, let's go macro.  We have a short time on the planet. And I think one of the, one of the greatest ways to experience heartbreak is to betray your human talent because you're busy being busy and playing with your phone and talking about trying.  Yeah. And life is about getting in the game.


It's about. Doing that project you want to do. It's about getting healthier and starting today and then reading the books and getting the people around you that fortify that commitment. And yes, we fall, you're right. I mean, the path of living your finest life and finding the wealth money can't buy is, it's not a linear path.


My life hasn't been linear. It's, I've had tragedy and I've had victory. Yeah. And I just, I just, and when I have Tragedy.  I process the pain and I learn from it and I turn my wounds into wisdom and I use my stumbling blocks into stepping stones and through a default. I just keep on saying, okay, how can I use this to heal and get stronger and become more loving and braver?


I mean, it's the difficult times to teach you strengths. And when I've been in a season of victory, you know, I enjoy that too.  But the path of life is a messy game and it's a beautiful sport. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So talking about reading, uh, you obviously have, uh, an avid reader and I'm, I am too. So we're going to read your book, um, once it's out, um, uh, in my book club called Grow, but I'd love for you to share the  45, 15 reading rule.


I'm not sure if I say that right, but, um, you can repeat it if I don't.  So  candidly, I haven't read the chapter for a few months, but it's.  45 minutes,  45 minutes of reading every night. Yeah. And it's less scrolling, more reading. So build the reading practice and then spend 15 minutes after you've done the reading.


Writing about what you've learned, so that, so the, so the reading becomes sticky and sustainable. Often what we do is we read and then we go on to the next thing. Maybe it's watching a video, being with our family or whatever. What I'm suggesting is 45 minutes of reading every night. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, a book full, a home full of books is.


a gorgeous home. Yeah. You can  play with your phone. You can change the world. You can't do both. Put down the phone. Yeah. Spend an hour, 45 minutes a night reading, read philosophy, read psychology, read prosperity, read history. Yeah, I mean, Winston Churchill said it so well. He said the best way to navigate the future is understand history in the past.


So 45 minutes reading  15 minutes consciously say, here's what I learned. And remember, we taught it in when I was mentoring you and I connects. It was like deconstruction, deconstruct what you what you learn.  And  every, every day. Yeah. So 40, 45 minutes, 15 minutes, deconstructing it. One hour, that's one hour every single day.


Yeah, absolutely. And you know when, when I learned that from you, I, um, because I, I, I've always been journaling, but when I started doing that and then I wrote my own book, um, I went through all that and that's where I got all the. The good bits that I wanted to put in, into my, to my book. And it's so powerful because I think, especially when you love books, cause like there's just endless of books to read.


So it's easy to go from one book to the other without actually thinking through it properly.  It's so true. And it speaks to this  world we live in, where we live our lives like a five alarm fire. I'd rather master three books this year than buy and download 500 books. I'm hearing. London. I think I last time I actually saw you in person was in London, I believe.


And  so the other day it was a very full day and I said, I'm going to do something for myself. So I went over to one of my favorite bookstores in London, Hatchards. I don't know if you've ever been to Hatchards. And I just, I just went through the stacks and I found the right books for me and I just  I find books very soulful.


I find, you know, a night, a quiet night if you can be alone, have a nice cup of tea, play some nice music. I like country music and just read a thoughtful book. Reading is having a conversation with the author and I just find, you can be on the phone, but I find you put down the phone and you're still a little bit activated or read and it just calms you and you feel like you're reading something rich.


So I'm, um, You know, there's a chapter in the book, it's the, the, the human who learns the most wins. And I, I'm a huge fan of reading.  Yeah, absolutely. So actually talk, can we talk a little bit about the solitude? Um, because that's coming up. There's a, there's a whole chapter around that.  And I think you see it as a, as part of the wellness, um, method.


And, and it's interesting cause I, when, when I used to do similar to you, when I have a big day or a big project that is just about to finish, I then go off and stay in a nice hotel or a nice house. And then I bring books and I completely turn off. And I share that often with people that I do that because that's kind of my reward when I work really hard and that's kind of my, something to look forward to and so simple.


But a lot of people actually think that that's the worst that you can possibly do because they can't be alone. So I'd love for you to share a little bit about how can we be, it's, and it's not for anyone listening, it's not going out and.  You know, being in a hotel room with your phone, it's actually completely turning off and, you know, books and journals are allowed.


Yes. Well,  genius loves solitude


and we could get into the neuroscience of it. Transient hypofrontality, which is essentially when we get into quietude and solitude and. Just get rid of distraction.  The prefrontal cortex, the seat of reasoning, but also the seat of the monkey mind and the mental chatter. It starts to slow down for a period of time  and there's a pharmacy of mastery that's created.


And for a short period of time, we go into flow state and we get our greatest work done. We get our billion dollar ideas done. We get our deepest inner transformation done when we are in flow state. Flow state happens when we are alone. And not only when we're alone, When we are distraction free. Yeah. So  I have this concept called the tight bubble of total focus and I think there is huge value  in going to a hotel room.


I get my best ideas in hotel rooms or on airplanes. I mean, I'm not judging, I'm just reporting, but people on airplanes, they're watching the screen, they're drinking too much, they're eating too many peanuts, et cetera, et cetera. If you've got a four hour, you've got a four hour plane ride, you can put on your headphones.


Listen to some great music. Pull out your journal. I know you love journals so much. Write your, write a vision for your next three years. Deconstruct how your business is going. Write a list of the things that you want to get done. It's such a beautiful time. Yeah. So being quiet and Also, I have to say, if you look at the greatest artists or states people, I mean, Winston Churchill had  Chequers, the official country home for the Prime Minister, and in the middle of World War II, with a little motorcade, he would leave London,  and he would go there and he would smoke cigars in the Rose Garden, and he would think and Renew James Bond had gold and I he'd get away from the world in this seaside retreat where he would go into flow state and then start downloading the ideas for James Bond.


You'll look at JD Salinger, one of my writing heroes who wrote catcher in the rye. He lived in a concrete bunker for many years of his life. So I think the takeaway in this, this is just one of the through lines in the wealth money can't buy, which is we live in a world. People suffering from broken focus syndrome  and we are becoming a society of addicts and we absolutely must find ways.


I talk about a lot of tools in the book to break free of this addiction to scrolling and comparing and entertainment so we can build our life, not as maximalists, but minimalists who focus on the, on the wealth money camp by. Hmm. I love that. And you also talk about, uh, the, um, to have like a, uh, a dopamine detox.


And, uh, I, I love that because as we are recording this, I'm about to go to Antarctica for the first time. And, uh, I thought that was an opportunity to actually get rid of my phone for a few days. Obviously I will take photos cause there will be so many beautiful opportunities to do that, but I love for you to, to talk a little bit about how we commit to dopamine.


Uh, detox.  Sure. So,  we, when we check the phone, there's a little shot of dopamine. When we  look for a like, there's a little shot of dopamine. When we are doing something difficult, writing a hard book, writing a hard screenplay, working on a work project, maybe meditation, and we, Reach for some kind of shiny digital toy.


We do that because there's a feel good, a neurochemical feel good release.  And just like any addict, we must break, no one has to must do anything, but if you want to live  a focused life, a peaceful life, a healthy life, a creative life, a productive life, a soulful life, we must break free of this constant attraction where we, you know, you see, unfortunately, you see a lot of youth just they're waiting at a bus stop and it's like,  It's like, and so how do you do that?


One, one way is you give yourself a, a seven day challenge where you say, I'm going to do a dopamine detox. There's another chapter near the end of the book called go ghost for a year. And that's another similar concept where for a year you just go ghost, you just go dark, you sort of leave society. Of course you stay at home and you do your usual things, but  you can even do it for a month.


You, you're not online, you're not in clubs. You're not in restaurants, you're not in the world, you, metaphorically speaking, go into the wilderness, and you read the classics, and you work out, and you take good care of your health, and you meditate, and you might fast, and you work on your project next, that Taj Mahal, that Eiffel Tower project, when you bring it to the world, you change the world in some way.


That's it. Some way. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, I actually wanted to talk about  where you,  I think there's a chapter saying  Show up in the gym the way you wish to show up in life. I'd love to talk for, for you to talk through that.  Absolutely. I think in many ways.  Your gym behavior is your life behavior. That's an interesting way of looking at actually.


I think, I think the gym is a microcosm for the way you do everything. And as you know, that old idea, the way you do one thing is the way you do everything. So if you show up in the gym late, you probably, Show up to meetings and life a little late.  If you show up half hearted in your workout, you probably show up half hearted with your family and with your work and with the world.


If you don't push yourself to the jagged edges  so that your capacity grows to build stronger biceps, I don't want to show you mine because they're too small to show on video, but you get my point,  but if you Don't push yourself in the gym. You're not going to push yourself in life. Yeah. If you're, I've seen people do this again.


I'm, I'm not complaining. I'm just saying, but you see people checking their phone every three minutes in the gym.  And those are the same people. Good souls. Yeah. Checking their phone every three minutes at work. And I think that's,  I think that's so unethical,  doing that at work, if you're getting paid for it, if let's say you're working for an organization, and if you work for yourself and you're checking the phone every three minutes when you're supposed to be working,  you're committing a crime against yourself.


Yeah. You're betraying your talent, you're denying the world of your magic, you're missing out on that wealth inside of making your genius and your gifts and your talents real. So the way you show up in the gym is really a great way to understand the way you're showing up in life. Yeah. I really love that because it was really got me thinking how, uh, how I show up on that.


So that was really, really great. I also, another thing that I really loved in, in around the health wealth is, um, how do we microdose meditation? I love, I love that chapter.  Yes. So that is in.  For anyone who might be just joining  the, the wealth money can't buy is built around the eight forms of wealth.


Money is important. There's 20 chapters on how to create enormous financial wealth,  but the part you're talking about is. the form of wealth number two, which is wellness. And that chapter is micro dosing meditation. So if you can't micro dosing is fantastic because you can micro dose reading. You don't have to read for an hour.


You can read for half an hour. You can't read half an hour every night or every morning. Then read for 20 minutes. You can't read for 20 minutes and please read for 10 minutes. If you can't do that, read for 30 seconds. It's better than nothing. And all it takes is one idea to drop in your consciousness that revolutionizes the way you see the world.


So microdosing meditation, personally, I love long meditations.  That's why  a lot of the apps don't really work for me. They're just too short.  I like to drop down and go into like a, another world. Yeah. If you can't do an hour or two hours, then do half an hour. If you can't do half an hour, then micro dose it down to 20 minutes, if not 10 minutes, if not five minutes, if not one minute, just, just do one, one minute meditation.


Yeah. Better than nothing. Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. And I think once you get into it, I think it's the most important thing is just to start small so people get the habit of getting into it and then, and then you just, I kind of crave it now. So I, um, I, um, I can't see not doing it. Another thing that I absolutely, I mean, I loved everything in the book, but how do we supersize supersize  our gratefulness?


Cause I, I, I think that is so important.  Yes. So I call this value chain  gratefulness.  So just imagine you were at the grocery store, Christina,  why not while you're getting ready to pay  as the cashier is.  Checking the prices of the bananas. There I am on the bananas again and checking the thing. You silently do a prayer for the cashier in front of you and then you reverse the value chain and you say, I'm going to also say a silent prayer for the person who stalked.


The groceries on the,  you know, in the store and then you reverse the value chain and you say, I'm going to quickly say a silent prayer for the truck drivers who worked really hard, maybe away from their families who brought the food to the store, and then I'm going to go back to there and the people who loaded, I'm going to say a silent prayer of gratitude for the people who loaded the food onto the truck.


I'm going to go back to there and I'm going to say, I'm going to Also thank the farmer. I love farmers like salt of the earth. I'm going to thank them. And if you start going through life  being grateful, even your clients, like thank them for silently for putting food on the table. You, you just start to see life.


And this is a practice, you know, it's not what you do once a year. That's important. It's what you do every day. That's another theme of the book. It's, it's  consistency is the mother of mastery.  It's the small little things you do every day that over time have huge results. But you know, I, I really  feel I have a sacred bond with my readers.


You know, I, I wrote this book over a year and I, I, I posted this on my Instagram, but you know, I did like over 20 versions of the manuscript. I mean, I suffered on the wealth money camp,  but I did it to pursue my craft. I did it because  My, my parents name is on the front cover. I did it because I'm only as good as my last book and I did it because I have what I call a sacred bond with my readers and they trust me and I love them and that's where personal development comes in again.


I love my readers. I love my clients because I love them. I want to be generous and give them and serve them and people feel that in the pages or in my events or whatever. So gratefulness is very powerful. Powerful for business, for influence, for impact. And we know that the neuropsychology, the neurobiology of greatness releases serotonin and oxytocin and dopamine.


It's just, it makes you feel good too. Yeah, absolutely. And I also think that it really helps you when you go through a challenging time, because I always feel like there's so much you can be grateful for even in the worst of times. And that gives you, you know, a quick way of kind of turning around a bit of a challenging period of your life as well.


I'm curious, um, because another theme is love. So how do we, uh, create a love account?  Well  for the, maybe one of the first times I've written about love in my books and that is, uh, the third form of wealth out of the eight forms of wealth, which is family. And that, that includes friends as well. You can have all the money in the world.


You can have jets, you can have mansions, you can have yachts. You can have a huge stock portfolio, but you're, if you're alone in your home, because you have no love.  What's the point? Yeah, I've mentored a billionaire. I went to his home. He had the most beautiful, some of the most beautiful art I've ever seen.


He had an amazing car collection.  He had  priceless treasures in this home,  and he was all alone. Hmm. I have mentored billionaires who say I have all the money in the world, but my kids won't talk to me. Yeah, sad.  Sad.  So,  There's the third form of wealth where I, I get into family and the importance of family.


And there's one chapter I really want to mention, which is your choice of life partner is 90 percent of your joy.  So that's just something worth thinking about. There's another chapter  called the 10, 000 dinner.  Rule. Yeah. And, and this is, um, one of the UK's top divorce lawyers and she was quoted in a newspaper and she was asked like, what are the secrets?


You've seen a lot of failed marriages. You've seen successful ones. That's a good idea. Interview a divorce lawyer to find out some lessons on making a love relationship last. And, and she blew my mind because, and I actually had.  Tea with her a few weeks ago.  Her name is Ayesha Vardag and in this interview she said the two most important things for a love relationship to last, number one,  separate bedrooms,  and number two, 10, 000 dinners.


She said if you, looks fade,  lust fades,  but if you see yourself having 10, 000 dinners with this person.  Be with that person. I thought that was very powerful. And then, and then  your question about the love account, it's just  each day do these little things and make these small acts of generosity and kindness because that way, you know, over time you build a great love relationship.


Relationships fall apart, not because of one big things. It's all the little things that weren't done that could have been done that destroy a work relationship. A business relationship and a personal relationship. Yeah. Absolutely. Let's quickly talk about the fourth form of wealth, which is craft. Um, and you've got a chapter, hard work is great work.


Love for you to share what that means.  Well, I think of Elon Musk. Yeah. You know, Elon Musk has a simple philosophy, it's like, I will work, outwork  everyone around me so I can start all of these business, businesses. And I also think about Kobe, I, I think this is profound and I'll say it very, I'll try to say it very quickly, but I think it's, could be so valuable for your listeners and your viewers.


Kobe base,  Kobe Bryant, the NBA legend,  basically said, when I got to the NBA, I realized a lot of people got to the NBA because they were in the pro league.  They stopped, they started coasting.  He said, I realized that a lot of these professional basketball players, they would work out, they'd get up at 10, they would work out from 11 to 1 and do another workout later in the afternoon and that was it.


He said, I realized if I got up at 3,  if I worked out from 4 to 6, went home, had breakfast, worked out from 10 to  12, did another workout in the afternoon and one in the evening,  he said over. A few years,  I would be so far ahead of every single person in the league, they never could catch up to me.  Now, I'm not saying get up at 3 a.


  1. I love the 5 a. m. club. You know, I wrote a book on that, so. And I, I believe that sleep is a necessity, not a luxury. And I'm not saying be a workaholic. I'm not saying that at all. The, the whole book is. and against hustle and grind. Having said that, the chapter you're talking about, I think we've gone to the other extreme, which is don't work hard.


Yeah. And I think working hard when you work is how you get amazing things done. And I think this is a gargantuan competitive advantage in a world where a lot of people unfortunately have an entitlement mentality. And then what the rewards of. An amazing life, but they're not willing to put in the work to get the job done.


Yeah, absolutely. And I also think when you love your craft, which I think everyone should be, be doing like hard work is fun work, I think. Um, and I think it's such a, it's such a privilege to work with something you love.  I agree with you. We're on the same page. Like this idea of retirement is not for me.


I mean, I can. I can't imagine myself picking daisies on a golf course. I guess there's no daisies on a golf course, but I don't play golf, so I don't know if there's daisies on a golf course. But for me it's like family. It's personal developments writing these books. It's traveling. It's like, this is my oxygen.


Do I have a challenging, challenging day? Once in a while of, of course. Yeah, of course. But you know, I, I love. Writing. I love, did I suffer writing this book? Absolutely. But I'm elated to bring it out into the world right now. So if you can find work that is not work and if any truly, any great entrepreneur loves what they do,  then you've, you, you've, you've got one of the great.


secrets to happiness. Yeah. And, and, but I would also say, even if you don't love your work, you can find ways to love your work. Yeah.  You know, you can be, you can be, let's say, a cab driver saying, this is drudgery. I hate London traffic. Or I've met, I've met some tax, some, some taxi drivers who go, you know why the back of the London cab is so tall?


I said, no, tell me. He goes, because it was made for people who wore top hats. That's the tradition. That's why the black cabs are. And he just gave me this whole history lesson on London. I said, you obviously like what you do. Oh yeah. I studied the knowledge and I love it. I get to meet interesting people.


You're not one of them, but anyway, no, I'm joking, but,  but it's, it's, it's in any job you can find beautiful things, you know.  To celebrate. Yeah, absolutely.  I, I couldn't agree more. I just wanted to, before we finish off, I just want to say, um, I love this chapter, live your hero's life. And when I was reading that, and then I did my, my journaling after.


I do realize that a lot of inspiration for my own life is from you, which is you are one of my heroes. And, uh, and it's, it's been so nice to reflect on that because, you know, the 5A and club definitely influenced by you. The, um, the way you exercise when you travel, I always found that challenging and I always loved learning that from you.


And also, um, it was funny because. The, there's also a chapter, I'm not sure exactly what it's called about eating your, your last meal today or something like that. And, uh, and I was thinking about you as I was making dinner before. And I just want to thank you for,  uh, being my hero and so many of our listeners heroes, hero as well, but also for, um, for, um, sharing it.


It's one thing to, to live it, but also sharing it in our book. So thank you so much, but I'd love for you to, if you, if you have a minute to just, how do we live.  Our hero's life.  First of all, I have to thank you for such an incredible, uh, incredibly generous comment and Christina means a lot, you know,  you're having such an impact on so many people.


You're a great entrepreneur.  Every time I've encountered you, you have this lightness, this smile,  and it really means a lot that you would, you would, you've met so many.  Successful people. And it means a lot that you would say that. So I thank you for that.  And  what I would also say is, uh, you know, get some better heroes.


No, I feel like I'm  living my dream life and I love it. And there's so many influences that you had on me and there's probably more than that, but yeah.  Thank you. And how, how do we live our, our hero's lives? I would say one of the chapters in, in the Wealth Money Can't Buy is recruit a dead board of directors.


Recruit a dead board of directors. So make a conscious choice, do a thought exercise of saying,  who would I like to have counselors guiding me each day?  If I had a board of directors, who would they be? And then find their books or maybe their lost audios or whatever. Could be Churchill. Could be Hedy Lamarr,  could be Picasso,  could be Einstein.


All these people are available through their books. Yeah. And maybe find five of them  and then see them as your dead board of directors. And read their biographies and get to know them. And then when you have a difficult question, because in many ways a gorgeous life comes down to excellent decision making,  a lot of us just make really sloppy, thoughtless decisions.


Pro tip. Don't make decisions when you're tired.  Yeah. So, and then what you do is when you have to make a decision in love, in business, in your finances, in your spiritual life, you go into your meditation or you pull out your journal and you ask Winston Churchill and you ask  Beethoven,  what would you do on a creative thing?


Beethoven, Beethoven,  J. D. Salinger,  Emily Dickinson, what would you do here? And you start to make. Much better, much more thoughtful decisions.  I love that. Because, yeah.  That is the most beautiful way of ending this super inspiring conversation. Thank you. You've been here now three times on my podcast and, uh, I am now excited, uh, for the next one.


So thank you so much for, uh, for, um, For writing this incredible book and we are going to, we've got about 70 members in my virtual book club from people all over the world and we'll all be reading that together. So and of course implement it, journal about it and do all the things that you are teaching us.


So thank you so much.  Thank you, Christina. If anyone wants to get The Wealth Money Can't Buy, it's on the digital stores and in, Bookstores all around the world. So thank you so much. Great to see you again. Yes. Great to see you too. Thank you so much.  Amazing. Thank you. Great. Thank you, Christy. I love being on your show.


You just are well prepared and you're asked great questions. It's just easy. Thank you. Thank you so much. And, um, I was always inspired to when you, I read now that you're in, in Italy, which is amazing.  Yes. I made the move. Is that your base now? You need to get up to Sweden. Let me know when you go to Sweden, if you need any tips or anything like that.


I will definitely be in Sweden over the next year or so, and yes, I, I, we made the move a few years ago, so, uh, you know, it's, it's been great. Yeah. And how excited, I mean, Europe is just, when you've been in Europe and lived in Europe, it's just so easy. Like Australia, where I am now, and obviously Canada, it's the same, it's just further away from everything.


So, um. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. And if you come to Australia, definitely let me know. Yeah.  I sure will. And we're talking about an Australian tour, so that is not, not beyond the realm of possibility. So thank you. Let me know and I'll help you promote it or do whatever, if you need any help with anything, let me know.


You're so kind. Good luck with everything. Nice to see you. Yeah, the same. Good luck with being a new bestseller. I'm sure that will be that same, but I am sure. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much, Christina. Bye bye. Bye bye.

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