Dreaming Podcast

#370 - AMBITION WITH HEART - CREATING A LIFE YOU LOVE: with Magdalena Roze

This week I had the absolute joy of chatting with the incredibly grounded & inspiring Magdalena Roze — and what a beautiful conversation it was.

If you don’t already know Magdalena, she’s a meteorologist, journalist, author, passionate foodie, and a true master of living intentionally.

But what I adore most about her is the way she blends ambition with authenticity, showing us all how to live a full, meaningful life that’s also deeply soulful.

In this episode, we talk about her journey — from national television in Sydney to building a slower, more purposeful life in Byron Bay.

She shares how she transitioned careers, faced uncertainty with courage, and allowed her passions to guide her toward a new version of success.

Here are four powerful takeaways you can expect from our conversation:

  1. The magic that happens when you don’t take no for an answer — and how to gently persist toward your dreams.

  2. What it really feels like to leave a successful career and completely reinvent yourself.

  3. How to blend creativity, family, and community into a deeply fulfilling life.

  4. Why slowing down doesn’t mean doing less — and how to create space for clarity and creativity.

Magdalena’s warmth and honesty will leave you inspired, especially if you’re standing at a crossroads or dreaming of something new. 

Tune in, soak up the inspiration, and dream. ✨

As always, I’d LOVE to hear what resonates with you from this episode and what you plan to implement after listening in. So please share and let’s keep the conversation going in the Dream Life Podcast Facebook Group here.    

Have a wonderful weekend 💛

K

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[00:01:26] Kristina: Hi there, and welcome back to another episode. Today's guest is someone who lives with intention, heart, and a deep appreciation for life's simple pleasures, while also being super. Ambitious and creating a life of her dreams. Magdalena Roze is an award-winning meteorologist, journalist, author, and one of the most grounded, inspiring woman. I know. She's a passionate advocate for early mornings and early nights. Good coffee. A passion [00:02:00] for finding passionate people behind cafes, restaurants, and producers. And she has a gift for uncovering the magic in everyday life. Whether she's discovering a beautiful new cafe, sharing stories of the passionate people behind the food we love.

Or soaking up a quiet joy of family life by the beach. Magdalena reminds us what it means to live slowly, intentionally, and with soul. In this conversation, we talk about creativity, community. Wellbeing, dreaming, ambition, and the beauty of following what lights you up? It's warm, it's honest, and it's so inspiring.

Let's dive right in.

 Well, hello Magdalena and welcome to my podcast. I'm so excited to have you.

[00:02:56] Magdalena: Thank you.

so much for having me. I'm so humbled, to sort of be [00:03:00] talking to you because I followed your journey for the longest time. I've bought your stationary. You know, I've written in your beautiful journal books and it's just, I feel really lucky to be chatting with you today.

[00:03:11] Kristina: Aw, thank you so much. Well, we have lots to talk about 'cause I was so inspired when I saw you in bar and when, uh, we were at the same speaking at the same retreat. So we'll get to that. But before we do, I'd love to ask a question that I ask all my guests, and that is, did you have a dream as a child, something you wanted to do or have or become?

[00:03:32] Magdalena: Yeah.

Actually, really early on, I knew what I wanted to do and I don't know where I got it from, right? Because it wasn't my parents or my sister or anybody else around me. But for the longest time, I like, since I can remember, I wanted to be, an actress.

Or work in musical theater, something to do with media or entertainment.

and I knew that, as soon as I was a little girl. And so I think I was inspired a lot by probably what I saw on tv. I

think in the [00:04:00] eighties there were a lot of shows like young Talent time and talent quests and things like that. And I remember watching those shows and watching the hosts and not just enjoying it, but I remember thinking, I wanna be one of these people, you know?

And so I started it from a really early age to sort of badger my mom to take me to acting classes, dance, music, you know, singing everything under the sun. And actually I wasn't very good. at a lot of it, I actually, I was really, really bad at the dancing and not bad with the singing. And the, the music was okay, but acting was the thing that I actually, I was good at it.

And so I continued that. And then, Yeah.

it sort of led into my career in the media industry in the end. So I, I knew what I wanted to do from an early age.

[00:04:42] Kristina: I love that, that's so exciting. And, and how good that we have, you know, the privilege as kids to try all those kind of things and, uh, and then continue that journey. So we have listeners from all over the world. So could you just share a little bit, a little bit about your journey from, media, but also [00:05:00] your, your know, your transition into something completely different?

 different, but still in the media.

[00:05:05] Magdalena: Well, you know, I feel like I've lived a, a few lives in a sense because my career has taken many different twists and turns that are unexpected retrospectively. But of course, you know, I guess it all makes sense in some way because one thing leads to another. But, um, so when I left school, you know, I was at this sort of crossroads where I thought, do I pursue the acting seriously and go to an institution like nida, which is our National Institute of Dramatic Art, here in Australia?

Or do I go and do journalism and media and communication at university? I. And pursue the journalism way. So they were both still in like, you know, a similar, not the same industry, but you know, we were, we were working in media and entertainment and I remember my dad was the one that said, you have to go to university because if you go into the arts or acting your life will be a struggle.

And so he really discouraged me from that. to this day I wonder, you know, I still wonder what could have [00:06:00] been because that was probably the thing that I wanted to do more. it, but it definitely wasn't like a bad decision to do media. 'cause equally I was just as passionate about journalism and, and presenting and whatever.

So, I went to uni, I did media.

in my fourth year. I got an internship at my dream place at the time, which was a TV show, called Getaway on Channel nine. I think it's actually still around, which is kind of amazing. And so I did my internship there doing like. The crappy jobs. but they offered me a job after that.

So when I graduated, thankfully I was able to work there. and so I just worked my way out from, sort of assisting with the things that nobody really wanted to do, to research, to assistant producing. And then it took a bit of a turn when one of my bosses, I still really loved presenting though, but I wasn't a presenter at the time.

I was working behind the scenes, but that actually gave me really valuable knowledge about presentation and what's and, and how to do it well and whatever. and so one of my bosses ended up being really [00:07:00] important for me because she said, I remember actually I stayed back one day. I was working on a show called Things To Try Before You Die.

It was a travel show and I was an assistant producer, I think at the time. But I stayed back with an editor who was a friend of mine, and we were editing some presenting things that I was just doing on the side to try and make myself better. And she saw it and she said, what are you doing? And I said, Oh

you don't even wanna look at this.

It's terrible. And she says, no, no, no, but really, like what's your dream job? Tell me what your dream job is. And I said, it's probably really to be a presenter, but I guess I'm not there yet. And she said, what? Where would you wanna be presenter? And I said, national Geographic Channel.

And she said, we know what tomorrow. She said, do you have any more videos? And actually I did have some stashed away in the draw, but they were shocking, right? And she's like, come on, just show me. So I showed her and she said, these are actually really amazing and tomorrow this whole team is gonna work on your show.

And I was

like, what? Amazing. She's actually one of my best friends to this day, [00:08:00] Karen Warner. And she's still working in, in television and she's an amazing woman. So, you know, having someone like that believe in you is quite amazing. And I guess we're not really asking for the lesson here 'cause you're asking for my bio and I've digressed, but I

think what's.

[00:08:12] Kristina: perfect. It's so great. Thank you.

[00:08:14] Magdalena: No worries. But what, what's interesting about this, I think, is that I think it shows like you know, when people sometimes say like, oh, do you make your dreams happen or whatever? And we all know this already, but I guess it reiterates the point of it's preparation and luck.

Because if she had said to me in that moment, what do you want to do? And I said, I want to be a presenter. Oh, but there was nothing to show for it,

or no videos, or no preparation or no years of training. Right. Well, it just would've been, it would've gone to nothing,

you know? But I think the fact that, like in my spare time I was constantly working on it

and paying cameramen to work with, you

know, to, I'm like, Yeah.

we're gonna go out and do this.

Just 'cause I was constantly trying to get [00:09:00] better so that if the opportunity came, I, was ready.

[00:09:02] Kristina: I love that. Thank you for sharing

[00:09:04] Magdalena: Yeah. And so we, they did the showroom, we sent it to National Geographic, and I got a job. And so then that.

was the end of my career in production. I started presenting on National Geographic. I was in the same building as the Weather Channel, which, I was always watching what the Weather Channel were doing, and I really wanted to be at the Weather Channel.

so I kind of said to them, Hey, I'd really love to be here. And they said, we don't have any spots. And I remember the lady at the time, she said, oh, just call me in three months, right in my diary. I would go exactly three months. I had call Patty. So three months later I'd call Patty and go, Hey Patty, it's Magdalena here.

Just seeing if you've got, if you have any jobs going at the moment and no, no, we don't have anything, but just gimme a call in three months. Right? So again, I did the thing in my diary three months, and I reckon this went on for like at least a year, right? And I just kept calling her every time she said like, call me in six months.

I would do the six months, you know? And so then I ended up getting a job at the [00:10:00] Weather Channel and I stayed there for four years. And I loved so much that I really wanted to get, I really wanted to know what I'm talking about, you know? So I decided at the same time to go back to university and study atmospheric science so that I could have deep knowledge about the subject.

And then from the Weather Channel, I went on to Channel 10 to do news and weather there. And that was a wonderful time because you know, when you're at a network like Channel 10, you can do the Grand Prix, you can do the project, there's all these Olympics, there's all these great opportunities, you know?

and then I met my partner who's a chef, and after some time he, uh, had an opportunity to open a restaurant on a farm in Byron Bay. So, that was a little bit of a split second decision that we just went. Yep, that's a good idea. So I left my career behind in Sydney and we moved to Byron Bay, and that was 11 years ago.

[00:10:52] Kristina: Wow. there's so much to unpack here, but I wanna, I just wanted to say you, one thing that I think is so great for the listener to hear, and that is [00:11:00] not take no of an answer or don't say no, say how. 'cause I think a lot of people, if, if they don't have the opportunity straight away, they sometimes get disappointed and then they were even frustrated or angry.

But I think, you know, what you did there just really shows that, you know, you don't give up and you just keep going and you just, if it's not the same way, like the way you did it, it's, you know, you just find other ways. And I think that's so important because I think that is what success in spec specifically, I think in, uh, small business because it's so easy to give up.

You get so many no's, and if you give up then your business is over. And I think that's so important to hear in Korea, but also in small business. that's so inspiring. So tell me a little bit about, how did you then go, because from Sydney to Byron to amazing places, but very different, places. So how did you actually go then reinventing yourself?

[00:11:56] Magdalena: Yeah.

that was tricky. at first, you know, when we first [00:12:00] moved up, we were opening a restaurant on a farm, right? So we were totally busy with that. and it was really exciting actually, because at the time my partner was one of the, owners of a cafe in Bronte.

And so this was like a really big step for him, which is why I was willing to come along for the ride. To be honest, I kind of thought it would be a bit of a seasonal thing that we might just come here and it, and

it might be busy in the summer and then dead the rest of the year, and we'd go back to Sydney and I'd go back to my job, you know, but that didn't happen.

 Byron has always, as you know, been a very busy place and a very popular place for people to visit, like, for so many reasons. But something, I feel like there was a little bit of a shift 10 years ago, when we opened the restaurant and then it, and then COVID was the next big exponential shift in this town.

Really changing, I think,

and an influx of people from the city and business and growth. Like, I've never seen anything quite like it to be honest. but you know, once we opened the restaurant, I had this sort of [00:13:00] moment of, um, and now what for me really? Because he's still busy, you know, working at the restaurant now.

And I just sort of thought, huh, like, what am I, what am I going to do?

And even though I was really happy to be here, there was a part of me that, Questioned whether it was the right decision from a career perspective. Anyway, I just sort of thought, gee, I worked really hard to get to where I am, studied so hard and you know how cutthroat media is, like it's hard to get these jobs.

And I was just like, gee, what have I done?

Like, and 'cause I actually really loved it and still do. So it wasn't like I was over it. So really it was difficult actually. And I had a bit of an identity crisis 'cause I was like, all I ever did was media, right? Straight from university.

I never did anything else. And now suddenly I was in this sort of regional town, and I was like, what am I gonna do? And so I've struggled actually for a few months to figure out whether to go back. I was [00:14:00] going back and forth a lot actually of flying back and forth to Sydney to do jobs to kind of keep my toe in the water.

And then at one point I sort of thought, you know what? This is okay, but it feels like a watered down version of my life in Byron and it feels like a watered down version of my media life because I'm not really doing that in the way that I want to. So maybe I should just go in a completely different direction.

And so I thought, you know, this could be the, the opportunity to actually try something different

and something that I really love that I haven't had the chance to do before, which was working in the food and lifestyle space. It's something that I had always loved, but I was just doing it in, you know, 'cause I'd started in travel shows, so, researching where to eat, where to go, it's what I always loved doing, right?

But then, you know, my career took different turns and win that geo and whatever. But I still loved it inside and it's what I would do in my spare time. So I thought, maybe I should tap into that [00:15:00] passion. And so I sort of did it slowly. I started a blog where I'd share stories about what people were doing, interesting people were doing in Byron Bay.

So producers, I was sharing sort of really interesting recipes 'cause I was actually very inspired by what was happening here. And so I just started blogging. That's when blogs were a bit of a thing.

I started blogging about it and then it turned into a cookbook and then it turned into a food podcast, which I was actually too early.

I was

2017, way too early. But very exciting. I had some incredible guests and now it's really difficult to describe what I do. I call it like a buffet. It's a buffet of, food and media work. So it's a mix of still presenting, but mainly in the food space and wellness space. I'd say. it's content creation.

It's still writing. It's, you know, it's a bit of everything. it's hard to describe, but it's very fulfilling and very, very good for having a family too.

[00:15:54] Kristina: Yeah, yeah. And you know, I love, because I love when, when I follow you on Instagram and we'll link to all [00:16:00] your, um, Instagram, et cetera, or social media posts because, um, I love when you are recommending places and I always save them. It's so good. And I love that. I love that research part as well.

'cause I think, I do something called Inspiration Fridays and did just, I just wrote down that I will have to do that with you one day. So what I do is I, because I just moved to Sydney, but I did this in Melbourne when I live in Melbourne as well. And basically what I do is I go to a new class or a new walk or a new suburb and I, do a yoga or meditation or discomfort walk or whatever I feel like doing.

It's something that will inspire me when it comes to wellness. And then I go to a new cafe and have breakfast, and sometimes I meet with an inspiring person in that hood. And it's so fun because it just, I just constantly writing down, oh, I need to go here and I know, need to go there. And then now I'm like, oh, I need to go to Byron.

It's so nice to do things like that. But I think there's so much inspiration in finding good coffee if you love [00:17:00] coffee, good food. And for me, who loves, you know, the creative side as well. There's just so much creativity in, in places like your husband's place, et cetera. It's just so amazing. So, yeah.

[00:17:11] Magdalena: It's, and the people behind these places, right? So that's the thing. It's like, I'd always loved doing that. And then about a year ago, I sort of formalized that passion a little bit more into my latest project, which you alluded to, which is, it's called season. And so I basically now focus on these food guides, it has to be an amazing place to eat.

I mean, that's a given.

But I guess the kind of unique part of it is that it's generally I try and focus on like the unexpected or the hidden gems or the one that's a little bit underrated

or the one that sort of, maybe no one's talking about, but they're actually amazing and the little towns perhaps that people don't go to.

So people come to Byron, but little do they know that. You know, half an hour away in Ville is one of the best cake shops you'll ever [00:18:00] go to. You know, and I, so like you, I relish in discovering a little town and going, you know what, no matter where I go, I know I can find at least three amazing places to eat.

Like I recently did a speaking gig in Gunda, and I thought, I'm sure there's three Food gems in Gunda, you know? And so I really walked the streets and it felt like maybe there wouldn't be, you know, that you've got the kind of horse saddlery shop

and pub and all the places you expect in a country town, and then around the corner.

There was this amazing artisan bakery, and not only were they making incredible pastries, but they were also milling their own grain for the pastries, which rarely would you get with a, with any bakery now.

Right. The extraordinary. And I'm like, wow. And so then I thought, hang on, there's gotta be more.

And there was, and I just love sharing these stories, especially in these smaller communities. I

love lifting up the small businesses

and the people behind these places. That's probably one of my [00:19:00] absolute favorite things to do. I literally just shot one. On Monday in Ballina and Lennox Head, and every time I do one of these, I just come home with my heart so full because I've talked to the most amazing people.

They're so passionate about what they do. I've eaten the best food I'm like, I'm bursting to share it with

people. Right. So that's the thing that I'm heavily focusing on at the moment through Instagram, through my substack. 'cause I can do a little bit more detail with that. And then a couple of other things that, um, haven't come to fruition yet, but they're, they're I hate when people say this, watch this space.

[00:19:34] Kristina: yeah. But in the making, so behind the scenes. So we'll wait, patiently for that. So in those early months, you, you mentioned that it was not easy, which, which it never is, but out of, um, hardship, we talked about that before. Recording comes, you know, a few silver linings and could you just share a little bit about how you got over, like you were a bit, unsettled there for a while and then you [00:20:00] decided to go for kind of a new dream.

So how did you go about working that out? Because it's so easy to, to kinda get lost in that. And I was the same. I came to Australia and I was really lost and I had no idea to, no idea what to do. And then I got really excited and because there's a little bit of a lack in the stationary part of the world and um, that's how that was born.

But I'd love for you to share with our listeners what you did to kind of get to that new kind of journey for you.

[00:20:27] Magdalena: I think, um, anytime there, there's a feeling of sort of being, you know, stuck in a rut or un feeling unsettled or like you don't know where to go next or that, that kind of thing. Right. I think there can be a few and, and different things will work for different people. Right. But I think there can be few different strategies, either solo or, you.

know, all together that can be helpful.

I think one of the things that's really important for me is that I, I don't think anybody needs to do these things alone.

So I am a strong believer in talking to other people, [00:21:00]

and maybe not every man and their dog, right? But, maybe you've got a couple of trusted friends. for example, even recently, I actually felt like I was in a little bit of a rut and I was questioning what I was doing because things weren't progressing as quickly as I normally expect.

And I was like, what is going on? You know? And so any opportunity I'd get, for example, I was at a lunch with a bunch of, um, really quite successful, you know, business women and media women. I'd say, oh, how, you know, how's, how are things going for you? Because, and I'd just be honest, I said, I really feel like there's something going.

Uh, you know, bad juju in my life because I feel like things really aren't progressing. and they would say, oh my goodness, you have no idea me too. Like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or one of them had just lost her job or whatever. And these are people that on social media, you would think are absolutely killing it personally and professionally.

And it turns out that either A, we're in the same boat or B, [00:22:00] maybe they're not in the same boat and they'll have advice,

or a trusted friend, actually I was chatting to and I said to her, I don't know what I'm doing. Maybe I need to just completely do something different now. You know, completely change gears.

And she said to me, absolutely not. You are exactly where you are meant to be. And I said, really? She's like, yes. And then I thought, you are right.

[00:22:22] Kristina: Yeah.

[00:22:23] Magdalena: I'm exactly, I love what I'm doing, what, how, you know, and sometimes you just need that person that knows you

to just, and So what I'm saying is that we, we can't do it alone, or I can't do it alone.

I really rely on my trusted friends and other business people and I'm just as happy to give the advice myself, right? Like it's a two-way street.

so I think that's a, that's a really important one. And I would say it is worth, if one has the luxury of time to sit in the discomfort for long

enough to kind of figure out really, [00:23:00] really deeply what it is that you actually want.

Because sometimes we might think, here's the thing, sometimes things upstream because they're not meant to be. And it's figuring out, Is this feeling like I'm pushing against the tide? Because it's not meant to be, or am I pushing against the tide because I don't know, maybe I need to tweak something

or whatever. But you know, it's kind of figuring that out. And I think there's so many distractions these days

with technology and social media and whatever, and I have to be very, I am quite strict about how much I expose myself to,

because I wanna allow my brain the chance to just figure out what it wants.

And for creativity to flourish too, for original ideas to come to fruition. And I think we've gotta step away from distractions to be able to do that.

[00:23:49] Kristina: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. 'cause I think it's so easy in today's world to just constantly have the dopamine hits and constantly be inspired by others or [00:24:00] frustrated, whatever, whatever we are watching. But I, I spend a lot of time in nature because that's where I get all my ideas and it's, um, sometimes I'm like, oh, I don't really have time for the walk.

And I'm like, yes, I always have time for a walk because that's when the gold comes. It's rarely in front of a computer, so it's so important. So I'm actually curious to ask, you have moving to Byron shaped your daily routine in some ways because it's, it's hard not to be motivated to be out in nature, Byron.

[00:24:30] Magdalena: It's definitely changed the rhythm of my days

and the rhythm of my life without a doubt.

Like it's chalk and cheese, and now when I look back, it honestly feels like a different life.

You know, even a different approach, towards work and, everything really. It's a different pace here. And at first it's like frustrating, you know, even little things like you're waiting in the, in the shopping line and they're just having this long conversation.

You're like, hurry up. And then it ends with like a really long [00:25:00] hug and you're like, oh my God. You know what I mean? It's so funny. and now it's like I've learned to embrace that because that's, that is what makes this community so connected and so lovely. and I think, Yeah. like the whole slowing down doesn't mean doing less.

That's one of the biggest things. and I just really prioritize, I think, my mental health a little bit more. But this comes with age. Maybe this would've happened in the city anyway, I'm not sure. Right.

and children as well.

But it's definitely a slower pace here. Like there's no doubt about that.

Like,

when I speak to some of my friends, I think they, they're doing a lot more than I am. And sometimes I, I, I'm like, oh, am I doing enough? You know, I

feel like I'm not doing enough. Sometimes maybe it's too slow. I don't know.

[00:25:43] Kristina: So what kind of, what's changed? Are you getting up earlier, going to bed earlier? What's, what's changed do you think?

[00:25:50] Magdalena: I mean, no one would wanna do this, but truly when I was, when I, in my television career, like I barely slept. and that's mainly because I was doing breakfast TV at [00:26:00] Weather Channel and Channel 10 for many, many, many years. So I was getting up at three 30 in the morning. Right.

But because I was a single woman, and ambitious.

I wasn't going to bed at 7:00 PM like three. I was going to everything I was invited to. If somebody said, like, on a Friday, for example, I would often fill in for Carrie on the project. And so after doing the breakfast tv, I'd then hop on a plan to Melbourne, arrive in time for the meeting, the lunchtime meeting to talk about the day going to hair and makeup again, host the show, um, which, you know, changed its time slot.

Sometimes it was six, sometimes it was seven. But then after the show, I would fly back to Sydney, I'd be home at 11:00 PM ish, and I'd be up at three in the morning again to,

present. And similarly, when I was studying atmospheric science, I would be bre all morning and weather channel was very intense.

Studying the whole afternoon and evening till the library closed, coming home and studying more maybe till 11 and then bed and up at three or four [00:27:00] again.

So I was doing that for a really long time. I'm not advocating for this. This is a really bad thing to do,

[00:27:05] Kristina: Well, I think you can do that when you're young. Like you probably couldn't do that now.

[00:27:10] Magdalena: I just think it's not a good idea for

anyone. You know, I don't like, it's, I guess I was on a bit of a mission, but, um, I definitely wouldn't be doing that now. I'd be going to bed at seven if I was getting up at three. so yes, I prioritize my sleep. I go to sleep quite early. I like the kids go at about 7, 7 30.

Sometimes I even fall asleep with them.

other times, 8, 8 30. Now, even here a few years ago, I used to work. I had to though because children, I had to work at night.

So I would go to sleep late because it was the only time I could do that. You know, like the school hours are so short. and when they weren't even at school for so many years, you know, when they're

little. So I get to work at night, but more recently, sleep is a big deal. Like I go to bed at like 8, 8 30.

[00:27:56] Kristina: Yeah,

yeah,

[00:27:57] Magdalena: yeah,

[00:27:58] Kristina: yeah. Amazing. [00:28:00] Thank you. Thank you.

[00:28:01] Magdalena: How boring. Boring. If somebody wants to work a gym booking with me at like seven, it's, it's so hilarious. I'm always like, Hmm, I don't think I can do it.

[00:28:10] Kristina: No, but you know, I, I I love going to bed earlier 'cause I love reading and I love my morning so much. And, um, I like to kind of go, I mean now the sun is getting up quite late 'cause it's winter, but, I love getting up early and I just feel that morning is this space to think and be creative and move outside.

I just, I absolutely love it. So I'm the same. And when you love your mornings, whatever that is for each person, I think it's so much easier to go to bed. And also if you're a reader, I, I just can't wait to go to, bed and read.

[00:28:41] Magdalena: Same. I love reading and I love my mornings. I actually love getting up before everyone. That's my

favorite thing to do. I love getting up before everyone. And the other thing is as well, is that. I dunno if it's like this for you, but I just think that I'm getting to, an age where, even as you said before, like [00:29:00] when I was doing those, you know, 3:00 AM starts and whatever in my twenties and, very early thirties, your body can handle that, right?

I'm now in my forties and I just don't think I, I like, I can't handle that and

my hormones are changing

and I'm entering a new period of my life and I have to be a lot gentler with myself and kinder to myself and just accept the fact that like, I'm going to go through the next 10 years. I think with a lot more grace

and comfort if I actually listen and, uh, look after myself a bit more, and I'm finding that because I'm doing that.

I'm able to ride the waves a little bit more smoothly

because I have, there have been periods where I have felt very anxious

and very, like unsettled, and I felt like, yes, there are things happening on a physiological level, but there are things that I can do lifestyle wise

to support myself better.

And so that's what I'm prioritizing at the moment.

[00:29:59] Kristina: Which [00:30:00] is fantastic. And before we jumped on, on this call, or before we press recording, it's often the most interesting conversations, and I always think I should have recorded that, but we talked about enjoying the journey even in challenging time. And I love to actually just talk about that again here quickly because I think that is so important because my mission in life is to inspire 100, 1 million people to write down three dreams, because when I wrote down a few dreams in my early twenties, it's completely changed my life, like in things that I could never, ever have imagined.

And, you know, sitting here with you today, like I just could never have, I could never have dreamt big enough in my early twenties. And then experienced so many things and then I had a really challenging couple of years where I lost everything. But I, during this time, it was hard and it was awful and it was a lot of feelings, but.

At the same time, I decided to not go down with the business and enjoy the journey. And I think that is so important because we [00:31:00] talked about it earlier, it's not about the destination, it's about the journey. But it's so hard to do. So I love to hear what you are doing while you're going through some challenging time and and your view on that.

[00:31:13] Magdalena: I've been very inspired by your whole journey. As, as I said to you before, um, we started recording, I've listened to interviews with you and and it's rare to hear this, that when the interviewer was asking you about, you know, how you felt when you'd like, lost it all, supposedly, right?

But that's just financially,

right? You still had your family and

everything else, and the fact that you had no regrets because that whole time that you were in your business, you were loving it, you were passionate, you were traveling, you were making the most of it, your children were a part of it. So it wasn't like there was this sort of end goal of like getting really rich or something, or.

When we do this, then we, we can all go away and travel. It seemed to me like you were enjoying it the whole way.

And so then when the business, couldn't survive in the end, I suppose it wasn't [00:32:00] like you felt you'd lost it all because you had had so much fulfillment along the way. And I thought that's such a powerful message in enjoying that.

journey.

And to be honest, I feel like Darren and I could be better at that. Like, we definitely try, but we could be better at that. Like, we often don't, I don't think we celebrate our wins with enough gusto, you know? we, we sort of just go that, you know, that was good, like high five and like onto the next thing.

Like

we're always the next thing. And there's constantly, like if you only, oh my God, if you knew the projects and the opportunities, like we're constantly, we are very strong creative partners in that way. And so

even though he, we've got our separate things, there's a huge intersection and definitely like a huge conversation happening.

Not at work the whole time about those things on a much more like deeper top line level, you know? Um, but we don't celebrate the wins enough. Having said that, we really do enjoy the journey and we involve our kids in it. Um, like you have as much as possible. I think [00:33:00] that's been, I've been very grateful for that, that even

when I've done, a lot of my things, especially now with the seasoned food guides involve travel, but I've managed to integrate the children.

I mean, sometimes I feel sorry for them. They have to eat. They just have to basically follow us to all these cafes and restaurants all day. And sometimes I'm like you, one day you'll look back at this and you won't believe at the kind of places that you got to eat, or enjoy, you know, it's hilarious.

But I'm just so grateful. For me, the biggest thing I think is I involving the family and it not being like a solo mission. I think that's what helps us enjoy what we do.

[00:33:35] Kristina: Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's such an amazing education for our children to do that. And I, now I have a 17-year-old who is an entrepreneur and it's fascinating and so fun to watch him because he's doing what we did. Took us long time to get our head around manufacturing, China, designing, all those kind of things.

He's done that so quickly. It's a, it's a different world now for sure. But you still have to do [00:34:00] it. 'cause a lot of people say, well. Easy for him. I said, yeah it is because he's learned so much since he was born, but you still have to do it. And he found it manufactures himself and he, he started designing and it's amazing to watch it.

And he does the man market every weekend and you know, you have to get up at six, set it all up and stand there. And some days are really hard to sell and some days are really great and it's the ups and downs and I think that is so fun. And if you can involve your children, I think it's so amazing. And even like travel, like he was my little pa and he, um, I had a thing because he was traveling so much with me that I had a few rules that he, you know, he couldn't be on the iPad all the time, so he had to every, we were in London a lot 'cause we were opening quite a few stores there and we were living in Sweden, so it was kind of easy to get to.

And uh, I said to him, you have to have five facts, about London every time, but you cannot Google it. You need to ask people. but it was so funny because I was there on my own and [00:35:00] my thing has always been, and it's funny how they, how they hear things and sometimes you wonder, you know, it goes in here and out there.

But then we always stayed at the same hotel in Covent Garden. And, um, I came there alone one day and he's, the concierge said, where's Axel? And I said, oh, he's stayed at home. He needed to go to school today. and they, they said, oh, we got, we got everything prepared of him. I said, what do you mean?

well, he, he asked us to find out the five facts every time he comes. So he systemized it.

[00:35:28] Magdalena: Oh my gosh. Isn't that fascinating?

[00:35:31] Kristina: It was so amazing. And I was like, oh my God, that is so funny.

[00:35:35] Magdalena: outsourced it

[00:35:35] Kristina: Yeah. And you know, 'cause I was always about, you know, you know, systemized things and that's how we, I always explained in our stores how we could open in London was because we systemized everything back in Australia. And it's so funny. And how he did that, and then

[00:35:48] Magdalena: That is absolutely brilliant and hilarious. Oh my God, I love it

[00:35:52] Kristina: it was so fun. And, um, and it was funny because, um, he was interviewed for something like a leadership role for, for [00:36:00] his school, last week. And I said to him, tell me about the interview. And he said, well, they asked me what the biggest impact traveling with me had been. 'cause he was saying how much he learned from that.

And, uh, he said, don't say no. Say how. So, uh, that was another thing that, you know, it's.

[00:36:17] Magdalena: if he doesn't get this role, I'll be very shocked.

[00:36:20] Kristina: And you know, it's funny, I don't think he wants it because he's like, I don't have time.

[00:36:24] Magdalena: That's.

[00:36:26] Kristina: But so fun to involve, involve the kids, but also involve kids in community projects and things, you know, having the privilege to travel, I think is, it's the best education. And I sometimes thought, I wonder if this is a good thing because he missed so much. And then now I'm like, he's like, no, that was the best that was, was.

[00:36:45] Magdalena: about that too. Ours are little, so it's not so much of a concern now, but I have worried about that sort of into the future.

Yeah,

With like the missing and the um, being on the back foot,

you know, when they come back to school, whatever. But they're pretty resilient, you

[00:36:58] Kristina: yeah. And you know, I [00:37:00] think it's nothing better because that's just opens you up to real life. And I think, you know, the school you can always, you know, you can always make up for that. But making up for like missing out of travel, I think is, yeah. So keep taking them.

[00:37:13] Magdalena: okay, good.

[00:37:15] Kristina: Well, that's

[00:37:15] Magdalena: We've got another one coming up. We've actually got like three coming up in the next three or four months, so it'll

[00:37:20] Kristina: and it makes you like, I just always loved having, um, one, at least one child with me just made me like, made it more fun. Otherwise, it's like I, you know, sometimes it's nice to be on your own and much easier to be on your own for

sure.

[00:37:33] Magdalena: so much easier.

[00:37:34] Kristina: But then I'm just like, oh, I'm so glad.

[00:37:37] Magdalena: Can you imagine I'm making content, like I'm having to video and sometimes I'm like, oh my God, this is chaos. But um.

[00:37:44] Kristina: But it's so fun and I think that makes it real as well. And I had another little policy that, 'cause I just felt like we needed to do something that was not just, amazing travel. So we had a policy, another policy that we had to see a sunrise in each city, each travel [00:38:00] because it's so easy to be jet lag and, you know, missing that.

And they were all always amazing. the most amazing memories because I remember we were in San Francisco and, uh, we were just there for a really short time. And I said, Hey, let's just do the sunrise from the hotel or something else tired. He's like, no, I wanna go and see the Golden Gate bridge.

And he brought his camera and, and then he met this amazing guy who was also there really early to see the sunrise. He was really into cameras and capturing things. And he was doing the YouTube well before I knew about anything to do with YouTube. So it's been a fascinating journey.

For sure. So anyway, back to you Now, so you've done a cookbook. what is your next kind of dream life looking like in this kind of season? So, obviously you're, in the middle of creating some new things and you might want not wanna share it, but what, what has dream life look like to you now?

[00:38:51] Magdalena: So it's definitely expanding. what I have started with the seasoned food guides.

and it is like, it's in the background. I am working on [00:39:00] something to sort of take it into like a bit of a, a, a bigger and I suppose more professional format. so that really is my dream because it's what I'm doing with season. It feels like it's all my passions, and skills. In the one

project, like presenting comes so easily to me. Right. As you know, I've been training since I was a little girl. So when we had that, actually the other conversation that we had off, before we were recording was when you were, you were sort of saying how you prefer not to mc, you.

prefer to be the speaker.

Right. Whereas for me, MCing is like, it's just easy

and fun, you

know? But, but not because I've got some amazing ability. It's only because I have just trained and trained and trained and

trained and trained. Right. And I think in our new digital world where everybody's expected now to be able to speak to camera, like people that have never had any ambition to be front facing or public facing the poor things.

You've got these businesses that are now expected to get on [00:40:00] Instagram and start spruiking their product and they're like, how do you do it? And I'm like. Only because I've trained, if I had to do what you do, there's no way I

could run your business or make your product or you know, or do your job in any capacity.

Like, yeah,

Like if somebody asked me to even do the books, like the bookkeeping, like no

idea. I can't even look at it in Excel spreadsheet to save my life. So it's like everyone's got their thing that they're good at. Right? And that one is like, it's a real niche, but that's my one. That's the only thing probably that I can really do.

but it's only because I've trained. So being able to do that and combining it with my knowledge of food and my amazing chef network, this is the thing

that's, we are, I'm really lucky with too, because with our restaurants, and all of our friends, it's almost like you, guess we're almost like one degree of separation

away from anyone. And

so you know, it's the perfect storm for like a really juicy food show.

So that's the kind of, um, next thing and then. We have another couple of projects that you'll probably hear [00:41:00] about soon as well,

[00:41:00] Kristina: yeah. Fantastic.

[00:41:02] Magdalena: definitely cannot talk about that.

[00:41:04] Kristina: Yeah. Yeah. No, fantastic. Thank you for sharing. It's so inspiring and it's so true about practicing and, and it's funny 'cause camera, for me has always been, I always been running from it. And then I was, and podcast was one of them because of English is my second language.

I always ask myself, what would I do if I knew I couldn't fail? So then writing a book and podcast came up and I was like, and my first 50 episodes, I always said to Paul, I'd rather open 50 stores today. Uh, which is hard to do in one day than doing this, but it was so hard for me, and I think I'm almost 400 episodes now.

And, um, you know, I am far from good podcast host, but I love it and I show up and, uh, I think I missed maybe a couple of weeks when we lost our business. It was, to a couple of weeks where I just couldn't face doing anything to the outside world. But I quickly [00:42:00] recovered, in terms of going back on my podcast 'cause, and then I started sharing the hard stuff as well.

And, um, I think it's, for anyone listening, no one wakes up amazing on camera or presenting or, you know, in your case doing media. It's just that practice. And I think if we do that I was thinking about it the other day when I went for a walk about this. Fake it until you make it. I don't believe it because it's, well, it's the same thing for me in terms of it's not faking it, it's like practicing until you make it.

Because, and also I find that the people who are not perfect, they are the ones who are inspiring because you know that they're not doing it easy. And you can then relate to it. Because if you look at, and we often look at people like Oprah or you know, the people who are really, done it for maybe 20 more years than us, then it's so easy to kind of just say, oh, well it's easy for them.

And I'm like, no. She, she started when she was young and she just practiced and practiced and practiced and look at her. Now she's a guru in this. So I think, [00:43:00] you know, that message is really good. So thank you for sharing that.

[00:43:04] Magdalena: That's okay. I was actually running wondering what you think about this. When you said that when you started your podcast that it was really hard and you didn't want to do it,

what made you keep going in the sense that sometimes I wonder when we don't want to do something right. So I'm, I'm hoping you can answer this

question for me. How do we know that.

we are maybe not meant to do it or if we just don't wanna do it? Because we are scared? Because you'll find this hard to believe. Considering how much I've talked to you today. I really do not like to talk about myself, which will come as such a surprise. 'cause I haven't stopped. But my point, I've, I have forced myself to lean into what this is.

Right?

I'm like. If you're going to be the podcast guest, we'll obviously talk. Okay,

that's what you're there for. But in my heart of hearts, I would rather be the interviewer a

thousand times over, and this is totally out of my comfort zone. And sometimes I think to myself, should I just not do these [00:44:00] things if it's so hard for me

actually inside?

Or am I just not doing it because I'm scared? And how do you know the difference?

[00:44:06] Kristina: Mm. So the way I look at that, which I think is something that I deal with almost every week in my coaching program, because I have a lot of people coming in there once wanting to change, doing something different that they're excited about, passionate about, or very experienced in, and it's often hardship.

Maybe someone gone through a health challenge or maybe they're getting really good at their job, and then they will combine it with one of their passions. So I see a lot of that and also I'm an introvert, so this is so not natural for me. But I decided, because when I started my business, one of my dreams was to start my own business.

But I didn't know where that was and I had no experience. So I learned from so many people, speakers, I went to see a lot of speakers. I needed to raise capital 'cause I didn't have any money and I needed, so first, we financed our first store by Paul selling his house. And then we eventually got investors, but I didn't know how to do that.

[00:45:00] So I went to see three speakers, three female speakers about raising capital. And there was one lady that I really resonated with and she became my mentor. And I learned so much from her. And then I read so many books. I listen to so many podcasts and I still see a lot of speakers. And now when I'm a speaker myself, I often go early so I can hear all the speakers 'cause it inspires me.

So I think that it's my turn to give back sometimes I have 500 people in front of me or a thousand people in front of me, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I wonder if I can deliver here. And then way I look at that is if there is one person who will walk out of here maybe a little bit more inspired or maybe thinking if she can do it, so can I, because I truly believe it's easy to look at the success we had.

But it started from me just writing down a few little things that I wanted to do and just took one step and one step and one step. And a few thousand steps later, we had 120 stores, but that didn't come from day [00:46:00] one. That because we practiced opens doors and we got better at it. And we did a lot of mistakes and we learned from them.

And I just feel now, like when I'm speaking, it's like I never expect everyone to love me because I don't love everyone. I also don't expect everyone to relate to my message. And I, I can't change that, but I can. Hopefully change one person's mentality out of, um, one talk. And that's how I look at it. And it's funny because I do Mentor Walks, which is a a global organization now, but they started here in Sydney.

And um, so once a month I just show up. It's, we just volunteers and they are men. So we match with two or three mentees. And a couple of week, or maybe not a couple of weeks, maybe a couple of months ago, there was a, a young girl and I was like, oh my gosh, I just wanna help her. I felt that I could really help her, so I just said, Hey, let's have a coffee.

And I invited her to my talks and now I'm trying to help her. And I always love to look for those people because imagine if I can just, you know, give that person a little bit [00:47:00] of inspiration or motivation to keep going when it's hard because. It's hard when we are starting out new. So when you, when I saw you speak, uh, in Byron, I was like, 'cause I heard that, you know, the transition you did from Sydney Byron was not an easy one.

And then I was like, so I wrote down straight away. I was like, oh, and I love cookbooks 'cause one of my dreams is to do a cookbook. And I'm not a chef or a cook. I mean, I, I cook a lot of food. So obviously very passionate about, but that's why I love following you because even when your substack, a few months ago, you shared what cookbooks you, you're cooking from.

And I, I, my whole house is full of cookbooks and books. It's, uh, my passion. And so then, you know, you shared something hard in Byron Bay and then I was inspired by that. And then I got you here. And then hopefully today we have inspired together you know, maybe a few listeners around the world.

[00:47:53] Magdalena: It's amazing. I'm really glad that I asked you this question, and I'll remind myself of your answer forever more [00:48:00] because when I did that talk in Byron, straight away, this is this is like my Achilles heel, right. I did it and straight away I was like, I'm never doing this again. Right. I was just like, I don't want to talk.

I would rather be the one one that's interviewing. And so I thought, I'm never doing this again. And then you came up to me and told me about how inspiring it was. Then I thought, oh, this is why, you

know, this is why. cause it is our turn to give back.

And it was the same with even coming on today. I was thinking, I'm not gonna do it.

I'm not gonna do it. And then again, I thought, I thought about you in that moment. And I was like, you never know who, who needs to hear

it. You just never know who you can give back

to, you know?

[00:48:38] Kristina: Yeah. And you know, it's, it's so interesting 'cause I, I remember I have, I went to Noosa we went for that beautiful coast of war, which always inspires me so much. And, um, my two friends were there, both unbelievably good at what they're doing. And we were talking about someone else, how good they were.

Similar, different industry, but kind of [00:49:00] how inspired we were by what that person was doing. And I stopped both of my friends and I said, do you know why she's so good? And they're like, yeah, because she's so, you know, whatever. And I said, no, well, she's because of that for sure, but also because she's showing up and she's doing it.

And we were talking about how all of us like, like to just sit back and not be on face, on camera or all this stuff. And sometimes I shiver. I'm like, I'm like, I just need a video. And I'm like, I'm just, and it's funny because my kids said sometimes like, oh, you need to edit much better. I said, I know, but I'm going for progress, not perfection.

Because, because sometimes the worst ones the best and,

[00:49:39] Magdalena: You know, what if, if I can give one bit of advice to people on, on presenting and social media, it would be, don't worry about it being polished,

authenticity

and actual true authenticity trumps everything. it's good that you're doing that. And it's actually an important lesson in general

is, I mean, how much, how many times can you do something to get [00:50:00] it perfect?

Sometimes you've just gotta put it out

there.

not just a video, that's business

[00:50:04] Kristina: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Progress not perfection has been one of the things that we, repeat over and over and over because so many of us may included like to make it perfect. So this has been so inspiring, but I've got a couple of short questions. One

[00:50:20] Magdalena: Yes,

[00:50:20] Kristina: you got a morning routine?

[00:50:23] Magdalena: I do. I like to get up before the family, so very early while it's still dark. I love coffee I just adore it. And so everyone that's sort of like, oh, don't coffee. I'm like, I'm not, I don't wanna hear it. Right? I don't wanna hear the whole no coffee thing 'cause it's not gonna happen.

Right? I love my coffee, I make it, and I get my milk from the farmer's market. So it's just delicious. And then I light the fire 'cause it's winter at the moment, and I sit by the fire in, by myself and drink my

coffee and just think about what I'm going to do that day. And I should be journaling really shouldn't

I?

Um,

[00:50:55] Kristina: Well, I'm gonna send you a journal so maybe you can

[00:50:58] Magdalena: I should be, [00:51:00] I really just take a moment to myself to think about the day what I'm going to do. Um, and then usually I start.

to hear little footsteps coming. and then we, I just cuddle the, whoever wakes up first by the fire and make them a cup of tea. And then the, the morning starts, you know, school lunches and the rest of it.

[00:51:17] Kristina: yeah. Fantastic. And I love coffee too. Like I, I feel like I live for coffee

[00:51:23] Magdalena: Me too. I can't wait to go to sleep so I can have a coffee in the morning.

[00:51:27] Kristina: that's how I feel. And it's just, that's part of the morning. It's just, oh, I was thinking about it this morning 'cause I was like, sometimes I get up even a little bit earlier and then it feels like the morning is so long and you get tired at night. But that's why I, I don't care because I love going to bed early so I can get up and have my coffee.

Love it. Love it, love it. So have you got a favorite nonfiction book or a book that had a big impact on you?

[00:51:53] Magdalena: There's actually, um, so many amazing books. Right. But there's a couple that had an impact on, the way I think about things. [00:52:00] One of them was, um, stolen Focus by, I think it's, I don't how to pronounce his name properly. Jonathan Harry

or Harry. I thought that book was, I mean, it's what we all know,

right?

About the impact of technology and social media on our brain. But what I particularly loved about this book was that it was a very easy read. And despite the fact that he, it was rigorously researched and from a man that clearly, is very literate in science. So he was going deep into, studies and able to scrutinize studies too, right?

So he wasn't just taking everybody's views at face value. I love the fact that he was actually giving, you know, giving it proper scrutiny and then coming up with his own ideas of things.

And I just thought that some of his findings were extraordinary. And even the experiments that he did himself about, you know, he had to lock himself as an example, he had to lock himself away on an island with like no internet for a month, just to see what [00:53:00] would happen to his mind.

Just existing like a normal person, right? No podcast, no constant information. It was an extraordinary difference in productivity, in mental health, in creativity and original thought.

that was actually extraordinarily inspiring to me. And the thing that has informed some of the boundaries I now have

around that kind of thing, because I read that and was like, wow, this is, you know, I want a little bit more of that in my life.

because it's, it's so, right, it's so easy for it to creep in. And the other one, this is a bit, cliched 'cause I feel like every man and their dog might say this, but nevertheless, the, the reason why she's a multimillionaire out of this book, is the Let Them Theory by Mel

Robbins. So.

[00:53:42] Kristina: yeah,

yeah,

[00:53:43] Magdalena: To be honest, I feel like she, I feel like that whole thing could have been said in like a couple of pages, but, but still I've got a lot from reading the whole book.

especially because, you know, she's a trained lawyer, so she was able to come up with really solid [00:54:00] arguments, for, for any reason why you'd have like, oh yeah.

but not in this case. Well, it wouldn't work in this case. She gave really solid arguments for every kind of, um, scenario with a let them thing actually works.

And I've found that really powerful in terms of not caring what people think,

putting things out there because it's good for you and not being worried about validation from others, even on, from a social perspective when she was talking about, say you don't get invited to something or whatever, like, just let

them, you know, let them, and one of the most powerful points in that book, which.

One would have to read to just explore in more detail themselves. But it was about the whole, we all know this too, but the way she explains it, it really sinks in, is how you can't change people.

We think we can change others, whether that's relationships with parents or partners, by constantly giving certain feedback or whatever.

And in the end, all you can do is work on yourself. And usually if you do the work on yourself energetically, they [00:55:00] change towards you anyway. Like I put it into practice and being like, wow, that's amazing. And it's great because it's empowering. Then, then it doesn't matter what anyone else is doing.

[00:55:08] Kristina: Yeah.

[00:55:08] Magdalena: if your only concern is you easy, right?

So, I found those two books really quite powerful.

[00:55:15] Kristina: Yeah, I love that. We just, so I have an online book club and we just finished last night reading Letham and we had such a fun discussions because obviously everyone, everyone has their own challenges with Latin people do, but it was such a great book to, to read and also for specifically for people I think who are worried about what other people think.

And I always talk about this in my talks as well, it's like in the end of your life, there will only be one person that can make a difference in your life, and that is you. And it's so easy to blame and you know, especially in, what's happening in the world right now, it's so easy to get affected by it.

And I'm not saying we shouldn't get affected by it because it's important to, see what's happening and see if we can make a change. But if we all worried about what we can do to [00:56:00] hopefully make the world a little bit better, even if the world is just, you know, a friend or a family or our community, then hopefully that is a ripple effect and making the world a better place.

But yes. Yeah. So, and also I think what she did really well is like, not just let them, but let me, so then your, your, uh, action will, you know, will stay with you versus just saying, well, let them and just ignore that. It's like, no, I'm actually gonna take action, whatever that is. So yeah,

[00:56:29] Magdalena: Yeah, it's a brilliant book, and she's a really good example again, of somebody who has really done the hard

yards. Like this is no, overnight success. You

know, this is someone who has absolutely committed themselves out of quite like a lot of hardship.

[00:56:45] Kristina: for sure. Yeah. Super inspiring. All right, the last question I have, knowing what you know now, what kind of advice would you give to yourself, say maybe late teens or early twenties? Um,

[00:56:56] Magdalena: You know, I would say that you are enough.

[00:56:59] Kristina: yeah,[00:57:00]

[00:57:00] Magdalena: You are enough exactly the way you are, that you don't need to be defined by your successes and achievements and marks and what other people think of you.

That you are enough. And that alone is enough to be able to dream as big as you want and do whatever you want.

And I know that to be an absolute fact. Now,

I didn't before, but I do now because I look at my children and I look at all their beautiful friends and they are perfect,

just the way they are,

no matter what they end up

doing. and they, and they have the, the capability to do whatever it is that they want to

do.

And I didn't know That then,

you know, for whatever reason, I did not know that. And that's what I would be telling myself if I could.

[00:57:47] Kristina: That is such a great finish to this super inspiring podcast. Thank you so much for first saying yes to being on the retreat and saying yes to come on this podcast and for sharing so [00:58:00] much of yourself. It's really, really, um, inspiring. And, um, yeah, I'm excited to keep in contact and continue following your journey because I, I love seeing where I can get good coffee, so I will be constantly following you, so thank you so much.

[00:58:15] Magdalena: My pleasure and thank you for having me on because I've been equally inspired by you as have so many others. You're an absolute force and you're a magnet, so you can't say no. You would just say how,

[00:58:29] Kristina: Exactly. I don't take no for now, so I'll find a different way, but

[00:58:32] Magdalena: no, I would never say it was never an option.

You are, you are, you are beautiful in and out and, um, it's been, very humbling to be on your podcast and in your presence, so thank you.

[00:58:41] Kristina: thank you. Wow, Wow, that was so inspiring. I could have spoken to her all day. I hope you are feeling as inspired as I am after that. Beautiful chat. Her passion for people food and simple, intentional living. It is such a powerful reminder [00:59:00] to slow down And savor the every day and to follow our curiosity, trust our rhythm, and to keep dreaming. If you love this episode, I'll be so grateful if you share it with a friend or if you leave me a review. It really helps us reach more dreamers just like you. Until next time, keep taking those small, meaningful steps towards your dream life, whatever that is for you.

As always, I will be back on Monday with a new Monday morning motivation episode. I'll see you then.

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